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過去ログ読んでも意見は替わりませんか？

http://ex12.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ex12tr/1128278693/
http://ex12.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ex12tr/1129564243/
http://ex12.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ex12tr/1130002234/
http://ex12.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ex12tr/1130149906/