ちなみに、発信元に直接リンクを張るだけなら問題ありません。 ただし、>>1のようにフレーム内に本文が入ってしまう場合のリンクはまずいようです。 http://www.cric.or.jp/qa/multimedia/index.html0054動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 18:37:35.69ID:XMWwozfv0 そもそもフェアユースの解釈とは何か I wonder the interpretation of" fair use" of reproduction logs. Let me know the example please.
besides so many Free blog or web site offer Ad automatically if you use them can't be deney.in such case, would it be regard for commercial use of logs? 0055動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 18:40:48.84ID:3Jca6Snz0 しかし何をいまさらギャーギャー騒いでいるのか?
映画のTorrentは興行収入が減るからフェアユースではないとなる 0072動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 18:58:21.33ID:XMWwozfv0 法解釈はどうでも今のところニュース記事の著作権者から2chに記事転載の苦情は来ていない ある新聞社が社内から2chへのアクセス禁止になったときに 苦情が出たくらいなので、持ちつ持たれつの関係と黙認されている のだと思う。 if you interpret the copyright law narrowly in such way,as>>53 there's few complain from copyright holder of the News+ sled 1 article as long as I know. I remind myself once upon a time,one of huge paper corp banned access to 2ch from their console inside of their company reporter and editor upset for the decision so that unable to get collective folks opinion of 2ch . soon the access to 2ch recovered. that's why paper and news corp are negative for appealing to eliminate reproduction of their article which is reprinted in 2ch. I guess. 0073動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 18:58:42.58ID:JrXAwnZC0 2ちゃん発祥じゃないのもあるんだろ<AA 0074動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 18:59:18.46ID:3Jca6Snz0>>67 2chもー とか言うのならまぁ、2chの>> 1だけ引用して好きにやれば?という話じゃね? 2chの2ch足らしめる、2chの個性とも言うべき本文まで引っ張っておいて、2chもー などと言う言い分が通用すると思っているのか? っつー話かと。
不毛な定義 を論じるよりも、道理と言うものを考えれば答えは自ずと、でしょう。 0075動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:01:40.95ID:eB0p/zjk0 こんにちはJimさん。 アフィリエイトによる収益を目的とした2chまとめサイト(俗に言う"アフィカス")の一つである「ダンガンロンパまとめ」 というサイトが2chの内容を無断転載し、このように言っています。 「このサイトの権利は2chが有する」 「サイト内の記事の権利は2chが有する」 「"転載禁止"と記載してあるものは2ch.net All Rights Reservedと書き換える」 「なので、今後も(転載禁止を無視して)転載を強行する」 ということなのですが、2chがこのブログの権利を有しているという事をあなたは知っていましたか? また、権利を2chに譲渡すれば転載は可能なのでしょうか? ちなみに、このブログの管理人はアンテナサイトを利用しアフィリエイト収入を得ています。
追記 このブログの管理人は「Jim氏からの要請は全て受け入れる」と言っています。
Hello Jim. "ダンガンロンパまとめ" is one of the blog for the purpose of the profit using the affiliate(commonly referred to as "Afikasu") This blog reproduces contents of 2ch without permission. Manager of this blog says in this way. "2ch has the right of this blog" "2ch has the right of contents in the blog" "The thing that "転載禁止" is written is renew it "2ch.net All Rights Reserved"" "So,I continue to perform reproduction from 2ch in defiance of reproduction prohibition" Did you know that this blog transferred a right to 2ch? And,Is the reproduction possible if he transfer the right to 2ch? By the way , manager of this blog gets the profit by the affiliate.
P.S. Manager of this blog says "accept all requests from you". 0076動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:02:10.81ID:iROr4VcD0>>70 日本の著作法はこの場合関係ないだろ フェアユースの範囲内であれば許可すると2ちゃん側が認めているのであればそれは無断転載にならないわけで 0077動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:05:48.09ID:3Jca6Snz0>>76 著作権法の解釈 などは、裁判になった時に問題になる点であり、 親告罪と言う定義に鑑みれば、法解釈よりは権利者の解釈 に依る所大なり という事ですね。
The critical point of current controversy, that has landfilled up threads, is:
■ Wether 2 channel will take countermeasures against existing Matome affi-blogs that have abused 2 channel's properties, ■ or will continue giving them silent approval of unauthorised uses of 2 channel's properties.
As you may know, a lot of Matome affi-blogs have not stopped copyright abuses even after putting "Prohibition of Reprinting" and "All Rights Reserved" on the names and the top page.
Those Matome affi-bloggers' claims are basically as follows:
1. Jim has never intended to stop existing Matome affi-blogs to use 2 channel properties. 2. By contraries, Jim is encouraging existing Matome affi-blogs. 3. The way existing Matome affi-blogs have been doing is deserve to be what Jim calls "Fair Use". 4. KENMO tricked Jim into putting "転載禁止 (Prohibition of Reprinting)" on the names against his will. (So that the prohibition is no longer effective.) 5. Thus, existing Matome affi-blogs are eligible to use 2 channel's properties as before.
Could you kindly tell us your direction for this issue?
I understand that it'll be unwanted and open-ended task for you to give a decision to each question about fair use. But your single statement for this issue will solve most of current controversy about affi-blogs, and rescue this thread from landfilling. Your cooperation will be highly appreciated.
Best regards, 0086動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:16:39.49ID:gaA8y2tL0>>71 つまり当方の商用部分に多大な損害を与えていると主張できるコンテンツが2chにあれば 後は裁判所でお話しましょうかってことにできるわけだよな 判断するのは裁判所であってユーザーではないはずだし 無断転載禁止が掲げられた以上ここであーだこーだ言い合う意味なんかないと
>>83 業者側からすればそれこそが目的なんじゃね だからここでいつまでもあの手この手で騒ぎ続ける 0087動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:17:17.14ID:XMWwozfv0 well let think about give and take. In case of reprinting News article from News corp as you seen at news+ board. both 2ch and news corp have got reward form that. The news corps could hear the raw voice of people directly on 2ch .they can collect the reaction without research cost. on the other hand, Aficus site what the hell they contribute to 2ch instead of stealing logs and writing of 2ch? I wonder this would be unpleasant feeling of 2ch user against Aficus matome site. 0088動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:20:26.47ID:hPJoabsa0 ・著作権保持者のJim-sanは外国のフェアユースの考えを支持すると口頭で言っただけ ・ただし日本の著作権にはフェアユースの概念が皆無 ・2chそのものは基本的に日本在住の日本人向けのサービスである ・トップページにはフェアユースへの言及は無く無断転載禁止としか書かれていない
Is it a feature? 0095Grape Ape ★2014/03/22(土) 19:51:03.57ID:???0>>32 It seems to have had great effect. Someone made a chart showing the effect. http://i.imgur.com/MoXYM72.png0096Grape Ape ★2014/03/22(土) 19:52:42.21ID:???0>>34 Please just make a thread on your board to discuss that. After an appropriate time vote on it. 0097動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:54:07.41ID:uEGUFFzj0>>96 OK, I will tell them. thank you. 0098動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:55:06.06ID:kWqcn3gK0 まあ、やはりAAのような問題があるから最初は転載禁止と決めるのに躊躇したのかも。 アフィカスが暴れてその迷いもふっとんで一気に転載禁止になったけれど。 AAはフェアユースにしてもいいような。 0099Grape Ape ★2014/03/22(土) 19:55:55.13ID:???0 So did anyone have any comments on this? http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1395338671/976 When we replace the kohada server I was thinking about putting livejupiter on the new server too. 0100動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:55:56.28ID:1LNaViBh0 Jim-san
We are trying to delete some Matome-posts (Reproduction from 2ch threads) in Afikas's blog . We reported it to blog-masters,companies and some Ads company from E-mail form . But , blog space masters (or companies ) were reluctant to do it. I guess that Afikas blogs are source of big profits and they don't want to loss many profits. Can't you set up a representatives of 転載禁止 report ? If reports are from representatives , Afikas-blog may delete their posts. I think that representatives should be Japanese volunteer. Of course , who understand fair use. How do you think it ? 0101動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:58:34.72ID:1LNaViBh0>>99 There are no opposition for it. Could you please replace it. 0102動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 19:59:52.52ID:XMWwozfv0 no problem if the moving goes well for operation and for user >>990103動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:00:11.35ID:UqqTFlzq0>>77 権利者の解釈は大切ですが やはり要になるものは著作権法です
権利者が著作権法をどう解釈するか さらに言論の自由をどう考えるかです 0104Grape Ape ★2014/03/22(土) 20:00:31.25ID:???0>>100 Ah, a volunteer for deletion duty. Do you promise to do your best and do your duty? If so please contact Jack-san. You have an interesting idea. 0105動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:03:20.53ID:qTQ5f3480>>72 >法解釈はどうでも今のところニュース記事の著作権者から2chに記事転載の苦情は来ていない >ある新聞社が社内から2chへのアクセス禁止になったときに >苦情が出たくらいなので、持ちつ持たれつの関係と黙認されている >のだと思う。
我々は2chには不要の存在なんだよ。 0108動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:06:24.07ID:1LNaViBh0>>104 Yes ,of course. We are KENMO users. And , we have been trying to delete it since KENMO was born. I'll tell this idea to Jack-san. Thank you Jim-san. I hope your job will go well ! 0109動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:07:09.65ID:Y+/Geva90>>99 I think it's OK to replace it.
>>104 Wow, that's an excellent decision :) 0110動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:08:14.59ID:+RkNXTiB0 2chのネタや画像を転載しているbotはどうするの? 0111動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:09:29.98ID:hPJoabsa0http://www2.2ch.net/warn.txt せめて、かつて「皇帝」が書いていたような警告テキストを設置できないものかねぇ 2chのログで金儲けは駄目、と明記されない限りアフィカスは偏向解釈を続けるであろう 0112Grape Ape ★2014/03/22(土) 20:10:18.66ID:???0>>85 Iron-scrap-san, I made a statement and posted on the news board. The last few lines contain the information you are talking about. Summary:
The nature of the work and the amount you borrow are important considerations. If there is a commercial impact, then that is definitely not fair use. It is my intention to enforce the rights of 2ch where the commercial impact has resulted in the near bankruptcy of the infrastructure that cares so much for 2ch. 0113動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:10:40.28ID:qTQ5f3480>>106 >日本におけるフェアユースとは >あくまで権利者のおめこぼしにすぎない
そもそも2chの画像なんてのは存在しない。2chにある画像は99%がどこからか盗んできた画像。 2chが自ら製作した画像なんてバナーくらいしかない。 0115動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:13:07.14ID:Y+/Geva90>>108 Good going! I'm expecting Kenmos will work hard wisely. I'll cheer for you guys. がんばれ〜 0116Grape Ape ★2014/03/22(土) 20:13:11.45ID:???0>>94 No, it is not a feature.. Yuzuru was all messed up. When I get a chance we will move what can be moved. I am sorry for your inconvenience. 0117Grape Ape ★2014/03/22(土) 20:13:51.34ID:???0>>97 どういたしまして。 0118動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:14:22.99ID:UiUFa5FJ0>>91 嫌儲民的には何でも許さないみたいだよ。 結局のところ、本音は「他人が楽して儲けているのが許せない」ってだけな感じ。
Why Afikasu continue to attack this thread ? I think it's a reverse effect. 0120動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:16:10.43ID:PWEXWUr00>>112 btw,Why don't u exploit afikasu. If i were you,I would force them to pay money to me instead of acception of reproductions. 0121動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:18:32.79ID:eVrSlvK00>>104 About this is discussed in Kenmo: 【問題提議】2chを無断転載したサイトを通報する担当の運営キャップ(★)が必要じゃないか? http://maguro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/poverty/1395420073/
However, there is the possibility that representatives get a bribe from affinias and tolerate them. Some Kenmo-men warned about it. Please be careful in choosing representatives. 0122鉄クズ♂ ◆Robot6i2HU 2014/03/22(土) 20:19:53.39ID:NUgoX/n00?PLT(12059)>>85 Thank you for your response.
Read that comment, thank you for your great effort to make 2 channel better.
Meanwhile I have a question, what do you mean by "commercial impact" here? How do you think if Affi-bloggers claim "there is no commercial impact though we are doing commercial activity"?
Best regards, 0123動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:21:02.31ID:1LNaViBh0>>121 俺もそう思う 注意が必要だ
Yes, I think so too. We must be carefull. 0124動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:21:35.45ID:n90N+6uq0>>118 そう。で? そう思う奴が居たから何だったっていうの? 0125Grape Ape ★2014/03/22(土) 20:21:52.31ID:???0 >>109115 They are a fine bunch of guys. Jack-san is very severe in his selection. You will also need to be stable and have the ability to make good common sense decisions. 0126動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:23:27.29ID:GfXCfLgc0 Hi, Jim-san. There is a proposal for MATOME site. Hiroyuki had got the money from MATOME site. http://web.archive.org/web/20140208010143/http://www.2ch.net/matomesites.html This is a cache of the page of 2ch.
Mechanism is as follows. MATOME site administrator registered in the member of NICONICODAIHYAKKA. It costs $ 5 to member registration. MATOME site administrator is creating an article to introduce your site. Permission of reproduction of 2ch will be given after this procedure. Hiroyuki is a company of officers NICONICODAIHYAKKA.
I propose a scheme Jim-san also take money from MATOME site. For example, granting permission to reproduction the person who bought the RONIN. I hope the coexistence of MATOME site and 2ch. 0127動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:23:35.59ID:aYkdLQ9O0>>105 TPPを出すなら著作権法を出すのをやめろ。 TPPは超国家的な政治の世界。著作権法は一応、国内法の体系。 正当性の根拠も全然違う。
Read that comment, thank you for your great effort to make 2 channel better.
Meanwhile I have a question, what do you mean by "commercial impact" here? How do you think if Affi-bloggers claim "there is no commercial impact though we are doing commercial activity"?
Best regards, 0129Grape Ape ★2014/03/22(土) 20:24:12.03ID:???0>>119 I am considering making the next Let's talk to Jim-san here. http://maguro.2ch.net/poverty/ This thread has become difficult to manage. 0130動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:25:19.41ID:nmMuyYMm0>>95 2ch and Open2ch are much the same.
http://up3.viploader.net/pc/src/vlpc014668.png0131動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:25:29.16ID:XMWwozfv0 It is currently believed that reprinting from News corp at News+ article doesn't get the copyright holder mad. the reason is that I refer to >>72 . Many news corp fear the situation that they are banned from 2ch in return for appealing delete of article. Now the ball has the copyright holder under the Sinkokuzai offense subject to prosecution only on complaint (from the victim)
>>1050132動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:25:45.96ID:UiUFa5FJ0>>124 そこのサイトって、あなたが言った「転載禁止以前のものに関しては転載可能」のところを、 そうじゃないって言われているみたいなのだけど。 0133動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:27:07.91ID:IXxQlwMC0>>116 Thanks for your reply. I see. I'll sit back and wait. Please take care! 0134動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/22(土) 20:27:53.36ID:o/mK46VS0 ●●●橋本市長発言と慰安婦問題の本質●●● http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/study/3729/1226114724/91-96