しいたけ ◆I.Tae1mC8Y ↑ こいつが投票結果無効にする為に工作してんだけど 0342動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 13:55:05.16ID:0k3zyypy0 jim, personally i think you are still misunderstanding what is BIGGEST problem of matome sites.
as you know, these matome sites are used to be "matome" of 2ch which most people gonna imagine like summary or conclusion of our discussions written in 2ch.
in current state. this kind of thoughts are totally wrong. yeah, these "matome" sites USED TO BE working like that. not anymore. good example is Hachima-kikou but most famous "matome" blog is owned by company.
they were making a blog for discussion of xbox/PS3 and gaming discussion of 2ch. although they looks like owned by a random amateur person who is not professional for marketing or advertsement. no, they are not. in fact, they are owned by company.
i dont care about they gonna "matome" our discussion or not, personally if they just copy paste the ENTIRE discussion written in 2ch which you MAY concern.
the problem is, they act like normal 2ch users and post random troll/fanboy fight/no reason rage post just to make their "matome" blog more interesting. no less, no more.
2ch is biggest and most famous community in japanese internet users not like 4chan. japanese company SECRETLY admit that 2ch has the power of controlling japanese so they try to buy these "matome" sites and make their posts secretly advertise their products.
you may trust or not, SONY is one of famous company that do this in 2ch a LOT. there is also evidence too. they often appear in 2ch and posts "xbox360 fails" shit over and over and over and over. they have not stopped this yet too. you can check this fact of this "problem" (yeah this is only just a "problem" in our country's law) in wikipedia. the "GK" (SONY LAN) problem can be checked here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88%E3%82%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%91%E3%83%BC%E5%95%8F%E9%A1%8C
and guess what? these "matome" sites will earn cash by making their blog as one sided.
so, basically, they earn cash by messing up our discussion which destroys true constructive discussion in 2ch. leeching your resource, rights, "stealth" advertise, bring 2ch rage fight is their keywords.
what you think about this, jim? i dont think you still get the point since you cannot read japanese languages AT ALL. 0343動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 13:55:37.64ID:PQglUSKk0>>326 全てのまとめを海賊とも言ってたよね・・・ 多分アクセスが急激に落ちたとか、転載禁止にするとニュース板が存続できなくなるとか そういう理由で明らかなマイナスデータが数値として上がってきたとか、嫌儲に踊らされてた のが今更分かってきたとかで、方向修正しなきゃならん状況になったんじゃなかろうか。
明らかに当初言ってたのと今回言ってるのは違いすぎる 0344動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 13:56:02.25ID:y0tFeISd0>>342 長いわ 文章構成能力ないな 0345動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 13:58:36.05ID:/1vjF0xm0>>343 認められていないものは海賊、これから制限付きで認めていくシステムを作るってことだろ 0346動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:00:36.09ID:mCMpWeQj0 議論して投票して、これでやっとアフィの手から離れられると喜んでる板もあるだろうに 今行われている転載禁止を求める投票を認めるつもりはありません。 とか言われたらガッカリしたやつからどんどん離れていくわ 0347動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:01:30.11ID:pAtmgFe90 wikiなどのレス自体じゃなく内容に価値を見いだしてるサイトを認めるってのが一番良い 0348動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:02:12.43ID:V0xrvjLf0 Hello, Jim-san. I'm a regular user of video game's board. And now, that board has been determined to prohibit reproduction of writes by vote. But, there are many wikis or web sites for hints and tip or preserving fanfictions or ASCII arts for thread's users. Those are edited by thread's users, and it's undoubtedly not for the purpose of a commercial business. And it's very useful for the thread's users. Then I and others are very anxious about whether we must close the wikis or sites. So, I'd like to have your response to whether we can use it or not after this. And, I've heard that you are considering making a wiki on a 2ch server. I think it's a very nice idea. If you implement it indeed, I'd like you to do it as soon as possible, and please instruct to transfer from wikis to it. 0349動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:02:47.82ID:MvtZ95cP0>>346 しょうがないじゃん ”転載禁止”という文字列を”転載禁止”の意味だと分かってなかったんだから 0350動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:02:49.82ID:YY3ebxmo0 極一部の少人数が投票結果無効を訴えただけでひっくり返すって言うなら それこそ横暴じゃないのかね? 0351動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:04:05.01ID:AbtMDhs30 まぁ、お金次第で転載許可って判決でたからもうなんでもいいわw
そんな奴を盲信してた奴はあわれだな 0352動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:04:13.77ID:L/shgl6l0 Troll was born a lot 0353動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:04:54.47ID:bqnBv+WN0 いや、改竄してJimに吹き込んだ不届き者がいるということだ 彼らは遊びでニュー速を荒らした者と同人物だろう。そしてそれは嫌儲にスレを立て潜伏している Jimなら分かるだろうし、処罰させなければならないね 0354動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:05:17.48ID:MtAEt6To0 Jim-san, (I used a machine translation of google..)
1 All rights reserved. 2 prohibit the reproduction of all
Changed name (@転載禁止) is the second meaning.
I looks like there is some misunderstanding. In order to inhibit the reproduction of all, they, I went to vote quickly. and You may vote act itself Maybe was fair, but I do not know the rules that decide everything in the vote. For the same reason, I have a question to re-vote.
In addition, I will follow the decision of the JIM-SAN. Because it's a clear rule that I know.
For now, I will hope that it is going to remove the @転載禁止(@prohibit the reproduction of all) from the name of all. It looks like you are in a situation that is different from the intention of you.
I agree to make a claim for compensation to the site(summary blog).
I'm sorry in a strange my English. Thank you. 0355動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:05:47.55ID:V/YzPrqi0 議論もロクに行われていない、誰も投票に同意していない状況の中で 勝手に投票所にスレを建て既成事実化を図ろうとするなどなど悪質な輩がいます。 このようなことはすでにいくつも起きています。 このような蛮行を止める気がないなら早く管理人を降りていただきたい 0356動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:06:20.27ID:ZPPuXeJ+0 何で日本語勉強しろよマジで 言語分かってなかったから方針変えますとか Jimにとってはビジネスだろうが 0357動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:06:40.11ID:PQglUSKk0>>345 俺は思うんだが、ニュース板に建てられてたニュースにも著作権があること自体知らないというオチはねーのか? 全て2chから生まれた物だから著作権全てが2chにあると思ってるんじゃねーのか・・・ 0358動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:07:57.12ID:dmXu5oiX0 まとめブログ大勝利だが実態が明らかになるまでおーぷんへ誘導は続けるぞ またいつ手のひら返すかわからん 実質転載禁止を続ければどんどん流出していくことを思い知れ 0359動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:07:58.07ID:pAtmgFe90>>356 ブーメラン刺さってるぞ 0360動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:07:58.46ID:rWISzMPwI @jim It is a group of south Korea to demand close down. 0361動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:08:38.84ID:pAtmgFe90>>357 何回もjimはfairuseと言ってる 0362[´・ω・`]KD182249245153.au-net.ne.jp2014/03/07(金) 14:09:16.34ID:9mWOwjUR0>>357 著作権侵害した著作物にも著作権はあるんだ 0363動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:09:23.55ID:UHIBWY540>>281 Jim-san. please look at >>215 & >>239 Thank you 0364動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:09:33.56ID:D3Tconn90>>257>>275>>277>>325 It is voter fraud, all invalid vote. Impersonation thread is also invalid in the discussion that was hijacked. 【Please check】 → >>9,>>321 (詳しくは>>9,>>321のレス参照) [不正証拠:Fraud Evidence] http://maguro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/poverty/1394004331/ ([魚拓:Preservation of evidence]http://megalodon.jp/2014-0306-1212-04/maguro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/poverty/1394004331/ )
それこそ押しつけだわ 0378動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:16:21.57ID:Ykm1elq30 >and there may be a system in place to keep track of it, and even charge for the use if it becomes necessary
カネを払ってまとめやるアフィカスいるの? カネを払ってまとめやるアフィカスいるの? カネを払ってまとめやるアフィカスいるの? 0379動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:16:30.40ID:rWISzMPwI @jim It is south Korea closedown movement to get together. Please be careful. 0380動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:16:41.70ID:na6DdF6+0>>376 ここはアメリカだよ? サーバはアメリカにある 0381動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:17:43.85ID:wQb8drIp0 (かもしれないって言ってる事を何さもそうなるみたいに勘違いしてるの) 0382動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:18:25.50ID:0k3zyypy0 to solve this issue, you MUST do some kind of actions against these bloggers. setting charge for reproduction of 2ch posts is good start.
btw jim, i didnt like a sentence posted by you.
>we reserve rights to that data
this is wrong. the data written by users ALSO HAS right of use to the posts. NOONE else can give them rights unless the topic has such term of use.
these DATA which posted in 2ch is belong to you. however, the POST ITSELF is written by users. WE have right of quoting our posts. WE can decide which post can be quoted. not YOU. 2ch authors only got rights which you can allow quoting/reproducing in final decisions. noone should not break this rule, simple right? that's why we are trying to decide which boards are free to be quoted/reproduced.
check japanese law and read my post again if you are unclear to these my thoughts. i dont think i am writing wrong.
im not big fan of hate posts. but jim, you are... disappointing us. 0383動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:18:30.08ID:aQ4tGKAi0>>378 何処とは言わないけど大手どころは金払ってでもやりたいと思うけどな 0384動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:20:08.13ID:p68wOGEW0>>380 日本のアニメが海外ネットで無断放映されても 海外のサーバーにあるからそこの法律で対応出来なきゃどうしようもないらしい
その二つ以外はもう一回考え直して投票でもいいと思うけどね それで禁止になったら言い訳できないし反対になってもできないのは双方一緒だろう 0388Grape Ape ★2014/03/07(金) 14:24:40.01ID:???0>>382 Sorry to disappoint you. You might be surprised by how nice things turn out. 0389動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:25:55.56ID:AThUEKmK0 おいヘタレ。さっさと全部転載禁止にしろや 0390[´・ω・`]KD182249240077.au-net.ne.jp2014/03/07(金) 14:26:28.73ID:9arcurOq0 Jim-san
agree:408 disagree:4 0393名無し募集中。。。2014/03/07(金) 14:27:59.68ID:BHbRiHDV0 待って!jimさんが何か言った 0394動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:29:36.14ID:p68wOGEW0 アメリカも日本も関係無いじゃん・・ 0395動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:29:53.81ID:pAtmgFe90>>388 How about giving some boards re-discussing EXCEPT 'Live-jupiter,and,VIP' which you have been to that boards dorectly and seen many residents against MATOME ?
thank you. 0396動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:30:04.82ID:sweFBJuH0 Jim-san, If you ignore voting finally,Anyway accept all suitable voting once. Of course,users know Jim-san's decision is superior than local rule but indicate their intention as hard as possible. Please consider my feelings, and their feelings. 0397動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:30:27.50ID:0k3zyypy0>>388 > You might be surprised by how nice things turn out. we expect you.
おいお前らjimがなんかやるってよ。絶対やれよ? 0398動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:30:54.99ID:xnl1C79C0 / ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ヽ / ノ t \ i -‐ ‐- | I was disappointed to Jim. | ィ示ミ ィ示 | Thank you for the happiness of the moment. And goodbye. | ト‐イ´ ´ト‐イ | | ) ) l ) ).| | ( ( ( ,_ ,) ( ( | | ) ) tttttt ) ) | \ ( (´ttttt´ ( (/ /\) )_ー._)/\ / .  ̄ | 0399動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:31:06.21ID:D3Tconn90>>392 It is voter fraud, all invalid vote. Impersonation thread is also invalid in the discussion that was hijacked. 【Please check】 → >>9,>>321 (詳しくは>>9,>>321のレス参照) [不正証拠:Fraud Evidence] http://maguro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/poverty/1394004331/ ([魚拓:Preservation of evidence]http://megalodon.jp/2014-0306-1212-04/maguro.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/poverty/1394004331/ )
転載禁止 do not mean "all right reserved". 0404動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:32:41.74ID:l4Fx8oHu0 >> 400
投票なんざ無駄なんだよ 韓国人のカスが 0405動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:32:46.17ID:YY3ebxmo0 しいたけ ◆I.Tae1mC8Y ↑ ここにいるんだろ? 工作してないで出てこいよ 0406動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:33:44.46ID:rWISzMPwI @jim Inconvenient contents want not to be known to a Japanese.It's demand closedown by the reason.It is server terrorism of south Korea. 0407[´・ω・`]KD182250240099.au-net.ne.jp2014/03/07(金) 14:33:52.52ID:a+yqpKi60 つまりもう投票結果ここに貼っても意味ないんだろ 0408動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:33:59.11ID:t+SYF1Lk0>>322 これはありそう 著作権はきちんとうちにあるよ、って主張の意味でつけてんじゃないかな 0409動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:34:37.48ID:LlKEjLih0>>388 I am worried about a misunderstanding on All Rights Reserved between us. In Japan, generally speaking, when you say' All Rights Reserved to 2 Channel’, those who want to reprint data of 2 channel must have a permission from you.
Do you request the owner of Matome sites to get a permission from you? 0410動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:35:11.11ID:td/ujP990>>322 This finding is interesting and funny. “転載禁止” which translates to “reproduction prohibited” was mistranslated by Google Translate as “All Rights Reserved”. 0411動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:35:13.50ID:Lx6IkYJ80 Jim-san
Why don't you distribute a paid blog license? 0412動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:35:24.83ID:IImPdUDa0 嫌儲のバカどもはただの荒らしだといつになったら気がつくんだろうねJIMさんは 今回の肩すかしで敵意はJIMさんに向かっていく流れになりますよ バカどもを増長させたのはJIMさんですから自己責任ですがね 0413動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:35:30.68ID:l4Fx8oHu0>>396 >Please consider my feelings, and their feelings.
look at http://p2.moritapo.jp/ plz. we need to restore p2 immediatly 0420動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:39:24.07ID:0k3zyypy0 あとお前らここにいちいち板個別のvote結果貼るのやめとけよ jimから見たら「何こいつら勝手に自治してんのうぜえ」で終わりだぞ まずはまとめが著作権無視で俺らの投稿勝手に引用・盗用・改変して使い回してる事が 日本国の著作権を侵害してる部分から攻めないといつまで経っても話が進まない 0421動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:39:43.44ID:d4O36dgu0 KENMOU is troll
In automatic translation, 転載禁止 is not turned to ARR but reproduction prohibited 0427動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:42:15.08ID:l4Fx8oHu0>>419 Brajil do not pay server cost to Mr.Jim. 0428動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:42:45.47ID:pn/8F37v0 If that's what you want to go Open2ch, then do it. but, you have no business poking one's nose into 2ch operation. Keep your mouth shut. 0429動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:42:58.74ID:Rlj8ZxSb0>>281 Hi! Jim-san
agree:37 disagree:1 0435動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:45:37.84ID:0lxXY+7S0 流れが急に早まったな…… 要するに、流出騒動のせいで●が売れないから収入が減ってヤバいので、 管理側のJimさんが広告収入増やすために過去ログを無料開放してアクセス数増やそうってしたんでしょ? 「まとめブログのせいでアクセス数が減ってるから、転載禁止にしていこう」 ってJimさんが言ったのを発端にケンモメンとかが盛り上がるも、 「あ、『転載禁止』って『著作権は2chに属してるよ』って意味であって、 『絶対に転載するな』って意味じゃありませんから。許諾貰う(つまり金を寄越す)か Wiki等なら大丈夫ですから」ってJimさんが言ったから揉めてるってことでいいよな? (2chと意識が食い違うのは主に翻訳ミスのせいだが、それ含めてもJim側は『絶対に転載禁止』ではないということ) 0436動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:46:20.80ID:rWISzMPwI @jim We have a duty to protect a country. From south Korea which wants to protect Japan. 0437動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:46:27.93ID:pn/8F37v0>>432 寄生虫死ねよ、ブログ大元のライブドアってチョン企業じゃねぇか、 糞チョン公になんで金落とさないといけないんだよ 0438動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:46:37.53ID:l4Fx8oHu0>>430
もう投票貼っても名前の書き換えはしないって 言ってるんだから無駄だよ 韓国人は無駄な努力はやめよう 0439動け動けウゴウゴ2ちゃんねる2014/03/07(金) 14:46:42.27ID:0k3zyypy0>>414 your answer is unclear to me. i get his post is simple yes/no question. and i am assuming you have given the permission of quoting 2ch posts to the matome sites.
whats your state for the matome sites anyway? earning $$$ from matome sites are YOUR goal. not ours.
reading all these japanese text posts everybody shows biggest disappointment ever to you.